Does His Majesty's Government approve of what is being done to Anglo-Burmans? I want to deal with what I think is the only valid point that I have heard from the other side. Member for Woodford (Mr. Churchill) of what a genuine Tory faith in Empire really means. The two outstanding figures of that delegation were U Aung San and U Saw. The second—is an elementary question, but a very difficult one to answer—it is, what is the alternative? How could it be, when we consider what Burma is and her past? Gentleman and his colleagues that this was already the policy of His Majesty's Government? The other alternative is that we should proceed to negotiate with the Burma Government, which has been thrown up by her own people on as free a vote as will ever be obtained in Burma under modern conditions, the Treaty which has been put before us, and the grant of independence which is embodied in this Bill. That was conditional upon a three years' breathing space for rehabilitation, and also to give time for the wishes of the people to manifest themselves calmly and deliberately, and under conditions of peace and order. 1911 Reverting to the question of the troops in Palestine, suppose that we had set those troops in motion and that we had reduced Burma to law and order—because, as we all know, since the war there has not been law and order in Burma. 227. As the House knows, under the leadership of the late U Aung San, a movement was set on foot by which the independent forces of Burma jointed up and took their share with the Allies in expelling the Japanese. I think I understand the motives of the hon. Thakin Nu, the Socialist leader, was now asked to form a new cabinet, and he presided over Burmese independence which was established under the Burma Independence Act 1947 on 4 January 1948. It is disgraceful to compare America with this situation. Quite naturally, a time comes when the people say to us, "We can look after this territory ourselves now; why should not we do so?" changed the places of them, and has given a wrong meaning different from what he intended. The independent Union of Burma came into being on 4 January 1948. But we have some regard for the finances of this country, and I should have thought that it was a very serious thing to become entirely irresponsible about the financial position of Burma when she needs our aid so much, and owes us so much. Not one of them pretended that the people of Burma will be anything except worse of economically as a result of this change. I need not, I hope, remind the House that there is no such thing as the people of Burma; there are races and different peoples of Burma. We regret that they are no longer to be in the Commonwealth and we hope that they will be able to meet those dangers and to retain their freedom. Similarly, it may reasonably be contended that the 70 million or so people of pure European descent in this country and the Dominions, as tough and as competent as any people of any age or clime and homo-genic, save for a small dissident racial minority, in Canada and one in South Africa, can hold their own in defence and trade without going to the trouble of trying to govern ungrateful Asiatics. What probably happened was that before they went into the sea, half a dozen stopped and looked over the edge and said to the remainder, "We do not think much of this; we are not going over the edge with you," and the others said, "You must. [An HON. The hon. I am certain that, on second thoughts, if not the right hon. No, it was explained exactly how the words of the Atlantic Charter applied. The material conception of trying to own the world is false today; it cannot last and stand the test of man. In December 1947 Britain passed the Burma Independence Act implementing this decision. 1888 1838 and hon. South Asian history is an ancient history with its roots going as far back as 5000 BC. So far dreadful things have occurred. That agreement was negotiated by the frontier people in the knowledge that we were going to sell out on them anyway, that we were prepared to abandon them, and that they had better make peace with their adversary quickly. India has great economic interests in Lower Burma; China has always cast covetous eyes on Upper Burma. tion in British courts in respect of divorces already pronounced in Burma. is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom that partitioned British India into the two new independent dominions of India and Pakistan.The Act received the Royal Assent on 18 July 1947 and thus India and Pakistan, comprising West (modern day Pakistan) and East (modern day Bangladesh) regions, came into being on 15 August. There is a certain captain I know who ran a steamer on the Irrawaddy carrying troops, petrol and other supplies. 1931 Gentleman the Member for Woodford—rest their case on the fact that the White Paper provides for Dominion status within the British Commonwealth of Nations, whereas we are giving them independence with the right to be outside the British Commonwealth of Nations. 1947. Instead, he said "the whole business has been conducted by the British Government from weakness and not from strength". Members, and especially the right hon. There is no opportunity for discussion. and right hon. What is the use in dragging up the deeds and misdeeds of U Aung San? which import rice, are today importing flour. The Independence Act Of 1947. Gentlemen have said a great deal about the high mission that the Government are performing but not a word of praise for the devoted men, both British and Burmese civil servants, who, for two generations, have given their lives to help the Government of I doubt if any soldier will contemplate that that can be done with anything under two Divisions operating for an indefinite period. Pictures From History/Newscom; Britain’s Parliament passed in July 1947 the Indian Independence Act.It ordered that the dominions of India and Pakistan be demarcated by midnight of August 14–15, 1947, and that the assets of the world’s largest empire—which had been integrated in countless ways for more than a century—be divided within a single month. In passing, I might mention to the Prime Minister one small matter, that of compensation. 1885 Members opposite, and on the Liberal Benches, will join with us. We have not had a very' good record sometimes in the past in that respect. Member for Woodford made, I must confess, what I thought was a speech which in parts was not worthy of him. In section 179D (which relates to the attachment of officers and airmen to Indian and Burma Air Forces), the words "by the Air Council and the Governor-General of India or, as the case may be," and the words "India or" wherever those words occur, shall be omitted. Gentleman's speech was deplorable. As for the tribes, what else could they do? It docs no good to the future of our relations with Burma that these charges are made, and I think they should be withdrawn. MEMBERS: "Oh."] The difference between: the view of my right hon. Gentleman read out to the House tonight is the very opposite of the information which I have received, based on a statement made by a Mr. Rivers, who is a responsible member of the Anglo-Burma community and a member of the Constituent Assembly. Gentleman thinks that I am speaking very wildly this afternoon, perhaps he will look again at the leading article of "The Times" of 28th October. The majority of the House have always hoped that at the time when self-government came to Burma there would be a constitution completely different from the one which she has now adopted and certainly an administrative system vastly superior to that administrative system which is likely to reign in Burma for the next two years or more. I am not speaking against the Empire or against our Empire-building in any way, because there is no greater Imperialist in this Chamber than I am. This was accepted by the Government of the day in 1931, and was effected by the Burma Act, 1935. Taylor. Because of that I believe that the Government, in the measures they have taken, have made a real contribution towards achieving the best that is possible in the East. They are propounding a theory which is in direct conflict with the views which they put on platforms here. The Prime Minister and his Cabinet must all be members of one or other of the two legislative chambers, one of which consists of directly elected members on a population basis, while the other is called the Chamber of Nationalities and provides for considerable weightage in favour of minorities. I wonder if he can explain to me how this step is weakening the British Empire when the alternative, as the Leader of the Opposition stated, is the retention of British power in Burma by employing force. 1924 I am grateful to the Premier "— I hope I say that without any personal offence to him, but obviously he would not dare at this time to slander the American people, or to point out that they began in bygone days by rebellion against this country and, therefore, were technically traitors. What is to happen to us if Britain repudiates responsibility for us and our future? Members know, to depart from the course re- It is the tradition of our race to be independent ourselves and to insist on political liberty, and to give it to others, and if hon. 1874 However much hon. Gentleman has made that clear. Another 15 or 20 years of partial self-government, which was what those of us who met at the Burma For example, one of the questions he asked was, Is there any racial homogeneity in Burma? We all know, and it is not necessary for me to repeat, the tragic story of the over-running of most of Burma by the Japanese, of the heroic retreat conducted by Lord Alexander, and of the ever memorable exploits of the forces under Admiral Lord Mountbatten which led to the freeing of the country. Their policy of nationalising large industries naturally meets with the sympathy of hon. Friend the Member for Hornsey (Mr. Gammans) who took the alternative view. We should pay a little more attention to the question of these much despised vested interests. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, U.K., pp. Many attacks have been made in the course of the last 20 minutes on my right hon. The people of this country do not want these adventures of dabbling in the political affairs of other peoples, who want independence. During the period from December 1936 to April 1949, some commentators consider that it was unclear whether the Irish state was a republic or a form of constitutional monarchy and whether its head of state was the President of Ireland or King George VI. Burma independence : a bill intituled an Act to provide for the independence of Burma as a country not within His Majesty's dominions and not entitled to His Majesty's protection, and for consequential and connected matters.. [Great Britain. I, too, ask them what is their alternative. Churhchill said "the British Empire seems to be running off almost as fast as the American Loan". The House knows that some days are better than others for embarking on important undertakings in the East, and it has now been proved, on our latest advice, that 4th January instead of 6th January would be more convenient from the point of view of the Government of Burma. The moment the words "vested interest" are used, even on the Government Front Bench and on the benches behind it, there is a sort of titter of contempt and dislike. Now there is a deficit of £10 million. Gentleman opposite is distinguished for the opposite set country has been developed and has been put on a better footing because of these much despised vested interests. The second test is this—our responsibility for British interests. First, we should have put Burma on its feet economically before we talked about self-government. I have a long speech to make and I see no reason why I should give way. They have decided unanimously in their Constituent Assembly that they want to start their independence outside the British Commonwealth ab initio, and not after a period of "due course"—whatever that may be. , He reported too that in May, 1945, a statement of United Kingdom government policy concerning Burma was issued. These events had, naturally, a profound effect on the people of Burma. They look back upon the conquest, and they look back upon the exploitation. Gentleman, and I say that what I have said was not a reflection on present Burmese politicians for one moment, but I cannot withdraw what I had said in another respect—that there is bound to be, in a country like that, an enormous amount of political corruption in the ordinary sense of the word. Friend and Leader—and do otherwise than move this Amendment. claims, amounting to nearly £100 million which have to be met and considered. All loyalties have been discarded and rebuffed; all faithful service has been forgotten and brushed aside. Members opposite and others think that this new change of constitution will lead to economic deterioration. Gentlemen opposite take the Gladstonian view of the '8o's or '9o's against which Lord Randolph Churchill, and, indeed, Lord Rosebery and some other Liberals fought so fiercely, that when we have a wholly or partially primitive country, and scuttle or are driven out, we have no sort of responsibility for the ordinary people who supported us? I only want to respond to the hon. I think it was most deplorable that he should do that. They themselves have come to an agreement with the minorities, and they are all agreed as to their future constitution. and right hon. There are hundreds and thousands of them, small ones and big ones. I will tell the House why. It has been altogether too unrealistic. This is to give the most extended rights to all to remain British subjects. I hope we shall have an answer from the right hon. He based his case upon a quotation from pargraph 1 of Part II: What I should like to elicit from whoever replies for the Government is a clear statement on this. These are only the statistics of reported crime. Gentleman tonight. I notice that on this aspect the hon. I do not know if the hon. We heard my hon. In every speech which I have made A miracle happened there in our own day when the Government achieved the settlement in India. We give them their freedom without forcing them to fight for it. A return to the constitution of 1935 was the objective in the interval. Independence Act Of 1947. It is true that Burma is not as large a country as India, but it is no more a united country than India, and the people to whom we are handing power are certainly far less experienced than those to whom we handed power in India. Nothwithstanding this, Members opposite say that we must accelerate self-government. I know it is rather unkind to remind the House of what he told us then, but as he has just told us a similar thing about Burma, I must recall it. To talk about the independence of Burma when it is possible that within 10 years Burma will cease to exist as a country is, to my mind, synicism and hypocrisy of the very worst sort. Significant differences in political views between unionists and Irish nationalists are reflected in the variations of names they use for the region. the original Act, without amendments, is reproduced below] Source/publisher: Govt. says that the whole conception of the Empire is changing. As it was, they had special safeguards and special forms of constitution. My noble Friend the Secretary of State for Burma paid very recently a visit to Burma and was able to help in smoothing out the differences between the Burmese and the Karens. I would have been even shorter but for the speech delivered by the right hon. When passed, it will close one chapter of the relations between the people of the United Kingdom and the people of Burma, and will open another. If that does not prove that, at any rate, in those days, that was their idea, I do not know what does. 1884 So also do the provisions that provide that Burma will afford all facilities necessary in Burma for the British, whenever we wish to bring help to any part of the British Commonwealth. I think he was right, but it is not so much a question of there being three different Empires as it is of the way in which we have gradually changed our attitude towards, and our values in respect of, the people for whom we are at Member for Woodford also indulged in a deplorable postmortem about U Aung San. Articles & Shopping. We are all aware that the success of constitutions depends less on their actual provisions than on the way they are worked out and worked by the members. Members opposite is terrible to see in action—the optimism that there would be no cold weather last winter, the Our earliest connections with Burma derive from the activities of the East India Company. Therefore, in Committee, we propose to move an Amendment with regard to the date. I do not regret that, and I am willing to take my share of the responsibility for it. It is roughly 17 millions, of whom approximately 13 millions are what might be called straight Burmans and the other four millions are Shans, Kachins, Chins and Karens. The other is, whilst recognising unfortunate characteristics and facets, to look to the best, to think of the best, and to expect the best from those whom we desire to be our friends. Friend assumed office. I would like to give the House one example. 1944 For those reasons, I cannot refuse my support for the Bill which the Government have presented to the House. Acts were passed in 1921, 1922, 1924, 1925 and 1926 by four successive governments. The right hon. It seemed to me incredible that he should say that Burma could have been repressed or kept in order with far fewer troops than we use in Palestine. The hon. Member for Wavertree (Mr. Raikes), that it will not be what he called "a nice, pleasant democracy," like we have here. 1850 I hold entirely different views. Are we not glad that peoples who were conquered by us are at last liberated, not in a spirit of rancour but of good will? I am certain we all hoped that when self-government came to Burma the conditions of law and order, of internal prosperity and of financial stability would have been vastly different to those appertaining today. I have little more to do than to commend the Bill to the House. As the proclamation issued in 1942 exhausts its validity in December next, it is proposed to make it permissible to prolong So keen are the Government to get this treaty through, that they are waiting until after this Bill has been passed before negotiating a commercial treaty. In October the civil administration was restored, and Sir Reginald Dorman-Smith took over the government with an executive council on which there were a number of representatives of the older school of Burmese politicians. The hon. The House divided: Ayes, 288; Noes, 114. 1871 Member might mention that to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and ask him to redeem his Election promise. I have no constructive alternative to offer. The Titles Deprivation Act 1917 is an Act of Parliament of the United Kingdom which authorised enemies of the United Kingdom during the First World War to be deprived of their British peerages and royal titles. On it are the words: 3) was an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom that conferred independence on Burma, today called Myanmar. CH. We realise that the only right attitude for an Imperial Power over territories which may still be subordinate to it is the relationship of guardian to ward. It can help to feed and enrich the world while feeding and enriching the Burmese themselves. [Interruption.] The total of dacoities for September shows that the figures have not gone up since January. Gentleman is right and there has been a slight decrease in the numbers, so much the better. At the request of the India Office, I received him, and I also received from him strong assurances of loyalty and fidelity. But because it is an accomplished fact, because we want to send out to the Burmese people the good wishes of this House, and because we hope that the Government will be right, I will not vote against it. In September and October a Finance Mission from Burma, led by U Tin Tut, came to this country, and the outstanding financial questions were settled. The problem with regard to the Karens has been satisfactorily settled, no doubt to the right hon. The Burma Independence Act 1947 (1947, 11 Geo. and express satisfaction that all is to be for the best in the best of all possible worlds at the moment when we disclaim responsibility in some area of the globe. MEMBERS: "Hear, hear. It may have been a wise choice on our part, but that is not the point—the point is that they themselves did not choose to go, but were ordered to go into it, and they suffered grievous damage; and it will be a long while before they can recover. 1950 I should like to make my own position clear on this point, and I am quite sure that I am speaking for the great majority of my colleagues on this side, if not for all of them. It belongs to us." I think that every Member of this House will have every feeling of sympathy for these people. Ne Win’s stated purpose was to make Burma a truly socialist state. Nearly 12,000 crimes, mostly of violence, were committed in Burma between January and July. I myself did not oppose the Government when they granted Dominion status to India and to Pakistan. The India Office was a British government department established in London in 1858 to oversee the administration, through a Viceroy and other officials, of the Provinces of British India. What does the right hon. I would remind the House that we in this House have, responsibility for the people of Burma, as the subjects of the King. The Economy. To my mind it is not a Socialist, but a Communist reception of life, whatever may be the alleged safeguards to protect those whose interests are to be protected. Those were the very words I used. The word "exploit" has quite a different meaning. That is what has been worked for not only by the Leader of the Opposition but by others including my right hon. This limitation was considered a great setback to many in the Zionist movement, though it acknowledged that the Jews should be able to increase their numbers by immigration as of right and not on sufferance. They were seething with nationalism. I hope I shall be allowed to develop my argument, and if I am, I will try to convince the hon. CBS News. That is great Empire building. I did not mean it in a financial sense, but only in a political sense. 1943 I want to say a special word about the non-Burmese people, for whom we have a special responsibility, who stood by us during the war when other sections of Burma were prepared to help the Japanese. Member for Bournemouth may accuse them of being traitors, I would suggest that the best way to test whether they are traitors or not is to ask the Burmese people. 1904 I remember the hon. Member for Wood-for (Mr. Churchill)—that not one of the things regarded as essential in the White Paper of 1945 have occurred. I notice the hon. Gentleman's most outrageous speeches, a message of good will will go out from this House today to the people of Burma and that Burma will know that, although she will not be a sister nation of the Commonwealth, we shall regard her with a very special affection and feel that the ties between us have been enhanced and not diminished by the passing of this Bill. Friend took the opportunity of lifting the lid a little, and showing something of the real difficulties we have to face. Member or a party, we should charge them with irresponsibility. There are many in this country who could accuse certain leaders of this country of being traitors. I hope, finally, that, despite what we have just heard, in one of the right hon. One knows that their attitude has been taken not only after very full consideration of the facts of the situation but because both those hon. I do not The hon. I am glad, for my part, that we on this side of the House do not share it. It would have been very pleasing, and in accordance with the best traditions of this House, if we could have passed this Bill with the unanimous support of all sections. Could not that happen in Burma as well? Members will look at it, is an undertaking by the Government of Burma that they will be responsible for all the pensions, remuneration, and other conditions of service of the British who are engaged in service in Burma. The broad principle of the Clause is that the persons specified in the First Schedule—that is to say, persons whose British nationality is derived solely from their connection with Burma—shall cease to be British subjects. I wish to say to Burma that I am wounded by the determination to leave the British Empire, combined with the desire to take the fullest advantage of any association with this country. What then would hon. 17. It leaves her so closely allied with the Commonwealth that it is true to say that we are in a very special relationship with Burma, one that we are not in with any other foreign power. 1932 India has been referred to, but the case of India is very different from the case of Burma. I believe that, in the future, the people of this country and the people of Burma will be able to say that today was a day of great thanksgiving and pride. What good can they pos- Burma owes us a great deal of money. The subsequent occasion on which action by the right hon. Not one tried to prove that. They were not engaged through the Secretary of State but as servants of the. Burma’s Struggle for Autonomy In June 1945, Burmese soldiers fought with the British to expel Japanese invaders from Burma during World War II. Having said that, I should like to make it quite clear that I do not consider this a day of rejoicing. Appendix II-Burma Independence Act, 1947. I will put it another way: We are giving to Burma the fullest opportunity for working out her own freedom, and we hope that this Bill will work in that direction. I believe that the strength of the British Commonwealth in the past and in the future lies in the fact that its self-governing nations wish to remain inside and have the power if they like to get out when they want. I know that my words tonight are in vain, but I would remind them that if a pledge is sufficiently reckless, sufficiently foolish, it may be qualified. Subsection (3) is a saving subsection, protecting jurisdic- Friends to abstain from voting tonight. We have heard a lot of talk today regarding U Aung San, whether or not he is to be considered a patriot or traitor. Gentleman told Michael Collins how his reputation was at stake on that issue, and Michael Collins told him, "Yes, but my life will be the consequence of fighting for the liberty of my nation.". There comes a moment when we must not continue thinking we have to guard these children of ours, but must allow them to stand on their own feet and let them take their own risks. Additional information was obtained from various web sites. There are three States within the Union, Shan, Karenni and Kachin. man is a traitor. § up the steps of Buckingham Palace as the plenipotentiary of the Burmese Government. But supposing that were achieved, would Dominion status prevent bloodshed? and learned Gentleman the Minister for Economic Affairs made a now very well-known remark to that effect. 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